“Machination to Destroy God’s Nation”

By: Gen. Jim – 7/25/25

Hold That Thought…

“Hold on… Sarah said what?” In The Oracle’s Daughter, by Harrison Hill, he starts with, “At around midnight, Sarah Green got out of bed & crept from the house. A full moon illuminated her path to the woodstack, where she’d hidden a backpack in preparation for her ESCAPE.” Concentrate on the word ESCAPE. Let’s define that word:

1) to get free, get away, get out, break loose, as from a prison.” (New World Dictionary of American English).

The English Dictionary goes on to define the word ESCAPE. All others are based upon the above. Sarah Green (S.G.) uses the same word – ESCAPE – as did Maura Schmierer (MS) back in the 1980s when she told the court (under oath), the media, & all who had ears to hear, “I ESCAPED the Cult!” This implies she was held CAPTIVE. Well, after several decades of MS’s BIG FAT LIE!, the Truth finally came out – “I was not physically held CAPTIVE!” Thanks, Maura, for finally telling the Truth. (see my article called “Finally”, posted at our PX2 Files, where she finally admits she made up the whole sad, lying tale of being held CAPTIVE by the mean ole’ Generals).

I believe since MS got so much media attention – “pity me!” – Sarah, my wayward daughter, would use the same tactics & strategies. She too, eventually will confess her LIES!

Back to Sarah’s ESCAPE(?)

After Sarah “crept from the house” … “Sarah finally decided to FLEE” … “She waited anxiously for the young man who’d said he would join her” … “He’d agreed to ESCAPE with Sarah on his way to Canada.” this is what Harrison Hill (H.H.) writes.

Ok. Here we have a “Christian” mother taking off with a “Christian” visitor. I want to point out that Sarah left behind 2 young boys & a younger girl (Miracle Green), & a husband who loved Sarah & the children. Sarah left us all – the whole ACMTC family. She left without saying WHY? Well, Harrison fills in the blanks with a made-up-genre. From start to finish, most of what H.H. wrote falls in the category of FICTION. No one knows this but we here who know exactly how things went down. How do you think we all felt after we found out our daughter had run off with another man… no reason.

Miracle Green Transcript

After all this was done, time went on in camp. But eventually the law got involved. What I have before me is a completed transcript (3/7/19, pages 1-32) between the Sheriff’s dept. & Miracle: (pg.1):

“Miracle, I introduced you to myself earlier. Steve Chavez with Cibola Co. Sheriff’s Office. We’re being recorded, okay?… I want to talk to you for a bit about your life back at the camp” (Fence Lake, N.M.).

[note: Det. Chavez was a dishonest cop! He spent time with me & Deborah. He played the “I’m a Christian too” role to win over us… so he could make up his own version of the story… to have us put in prison!!!].

The Interview Continues:

Detective Chavez (D.C.) gets into talking about child abuse/rapes etc. with Miracle (p.2). Both Detective Chavez & Under Sheriff, Mike Munk, we believe, made up much of the “abuse” stuff on us. I can’t prove this, but I don’t think Miracle came up with what she “supposedly” said about Deborah.

(see www.aggressivechristianity.net, front page, under “Gen. Deborah Found NOT GUILTY & RELEASED”).

What Was Said:

Here are a few things that M.G. had told the sheriffs (found in another interview) Miracle claims that Deborah “penetrated M.G. with sticks, screwdrivers, & needles…” WHAT? Yep! This is what she claimed. She also claimed that DG abused her for several years. I also was accused of sexual abuse by M.G. some years earlier. Well, all this ABUSE B.S. was found out to be just that, B.S.!

My Real Point

My real point in this article is about what H. Hill is writing, taken for Truth by none other than S.G. Back to the 3/7/19 interview (Sarah left ACMTC in 1999), on page 4 D.C. asked Miracle:

“What’s your earliest memory of life in the camp?”

Miracle (M.G.) “I remember growing up with the boys (remember Miracle is from Africa – black!), Josiah & Isaiah… And then I remember SARAH LEAVING” (my emp.) “… But I remember her leaving the camp, but I don’t remember where she went.”

D.C., “Do you remember why she left?”

M.G., “She didn’t say anything to me. I wasn’t aware of why she was leaving, but I just remember her trying to take the boys with her & then Deborah making it known to her that she couldn’t take me. But I don’t remember hearing anything about why she actually left.”

This is not true. Sarah told no one she was leaving, not even myself or my wife. Miracle makes up the false narrative that Deborah would not let Sarah take her. – NO ONE KNEW WHY or WHEN S.G. LEFT. There was never a discussion as M.G. discusses with Det. C.

REMEMBER: Miracle was only 21 months old –less than 2 years old- when Sarah Green left the camp! There is absolutely no way she remembered any of this! Isaiah Green is a year older than Miracle and he doesn’t even remember his mom leaving! How would a less than 2-year-old remember full-blown conversations? Especially conversations that never happened?!

Discussion Continues:

D.C., “Did Sarah ask to take you?”

D.C., “But you know she (Deborah) said no?”

M.G., “Yeah. I just remember hearing Deborah talking to her saying that she couldn’t take me. And then Peter didn’t let her take… Peter was Sarah’s husband, & Peter didn’t let her take the boys. He wanted them to stay with him.”

Let’s Back Up:

The discussion was brought up about the death of Enoch River. Det. C. asked M.G.: “… How old was he when you were there, & when you left?”

[note: M.G. did not leave, she was taken from us at the ABQ. Med. Center. WE had taken her to the Albuquerque UNM Children’s Hospital in July of 2006 because she broke a leg while swinging. So, the LIE that we withhold medical care from members is just that, A LIE!]

Miracle answers the question about Enoch’s age: “About three or four.” (Enoch was born in October, 2001 and he died in January of 2014)

D.C., “Okay, so when he was about 11 (he was actually 12 upon passing), he died there of an illness…”

Remember: when Sarah left in August of 1999, M.G. was less than 2 years old. Tell me how she could have known what she claims!

D.C. “Do you remember why she (Sarah) left?”;

M.G. “She didn’t say anything to me.”

D.C. “Did it make you sad ‘cause Sarah left’?”

M.G., “At that time, I was really little…” Yeah, less than 2 years old!

D.C., “Tell me about… were you connected to Sarah mother/daughter type?…”

M.G., “… I don’t really remember actually having mom bonding with her, ‘cause she left when I was really little… she was gone…”

Miracle/Deborah Relationship

D.C., “What was your relationship with Deborah?”

M.G., “… she kind of put herself in charge to be the one in control of me…”

We might ask, who would be Miracle’s overseer seeing she was only 2 years old? Miracle hints that Deborah was her “prison” warden. Most of the people at Camp had their own families. We didn’t expect anyone else to take care of this ABANDONED child. (Also, remember that 21-month old Miracle was abandoned by our daughter Sarah Green!) Peter had jobs so he couldn’t take care of her 24/7/365. Were we to let Miracle take care of herself? It was the natural thing for Deborah –Sarah Green’s mother/Miracle’s grandmother, to take care of her! Remember, she was a toddler when her mother left! She had hereditary rickets and weak bones, which caused her to be a cripple – we all took turns wheeling her around in her wheelchair… until she could use crutches.

M.G. continues, “… And Jim really wasn’t in control of any of that either. He oversaw everyone else (over 60 plus people), but when it came to me, she (Deborah) was the only one in charge.”

In control, in charge? Pray tell me if this is considered evil? It would be evil if D.G. would not have taken care of M.G.

Spankings

The interview got on whether Peter disciplined M.G. Miracle states (pg.5) that, “Ultimately, he was my ideal dad, but Deborah was the main person in charge of me.”

Like I said, Peter had jobs to do, like most of us had. If you remember, Peter was charged with sexual abuse of M.G. as was Deborah – all of these charges proved to be MADE UP LIES!

Cursed!

D.C. asked about M.G.’s legs, in which Miracle claimed that D.G. told her she was CURSED! Deborah never told Miracle that!

Well, the way they put it, D.G. meant that M.G. was cursed because of who she was. The truth was (and is) many disabilities, sicknesses, diseases are caused by curses – read the Bible for proof. Only in this context was “you’re cursed! used. (see my articles on Miracles & Curses). Miracle goes on telling D.C. this lie that Deborah kept telling her she was cursed, even after we took her for medical surgeries. The “cursed” subject went on for several pages.

One good thing did come from all this: Miracle disproved the LIE that we do not allow anyone to receive medical help.

On page 8 she confesses that after she broke her leg, “… they drove me to Zuni Hospital… we drove to UNM” (after Zuni could do no more for her).

So, it was Deborah & myself who took Miracle to two hospitals in one afternoon/night. It was in the morning when the CYFD came and took little 8-year-old Miracle away from us. From that day on we never saw her again (till at our trials).

“God is Punishing You!”

Miracle kept telling the sheriffs that God was punishing her (p.10 et al.).

D.C., “She told you that?”

M.G., “Right… I always had to be treated differently than everybody else because I was the demonic child in their eyes…” This theme was carried all through the interview. If M.G. was “demonic”, why would my wife & I spend the thousands of dollars on her operations? Why would we even keep her in camp? If we want to use the word “demonic”, we can rightly say, telling BIG LIES is of the devil. And Miracle has told some BIG ones!

Miracle goes on page after page telling how she was a servant girl. Please remember this: before Miracle broke her leg, and was taken away by CYFD, she was in a wheelchair or walked on crutches. On page 10 she says, “… I was in charge of keeping the whole house together & making sure everyone’s stuff was clean… I was always in the kitchen & making stuff. I was always working… for Deborah… I had to tend to the garden & tend to making meals for everyone… cleaning up around…”

Yeah, right! This is such a ridiculous lie! Miracle was in a wheelchair or on crutches and she was just a little kid. You can see just how foolish all this is! The garden was huge; it took many people to tend to it. The meals were cooked by a team of men and women using industrial bakery convection ovens, steam jacketed kettles, heavy restaurant grade pots and pans and other equipment that little kids could not use and Miracle couldn’t even lift! Remember, the daily meals were for dozens of people – and Miracle never learned to cook! Who would actually believe this? Well, many did not, for later M.G. admitted to her outlandish LIES. (see pp.10,11)

Miracle wants the Sheriffs to believe she was literally a slave. HA! M.G. was treated like a queen. This is no stretching of the truth. She was loved by all and cared for by Deborah and many others. Those who are still part of ACMTC will tell you this.

Physical Abuse Claims

Oh, yeah, got to have this in order to make a case.

D.C., “Was there physical abuse?” (p.11).

M.G., “On her part, she’d physically abuse me. She’d BEAT (my emp.) me until I couldn’t stand up most days…”

Stand up? She was wheelchair bound!

M.G. goes on & on about how Deborah BEAT her. Can we even imagine a woman like D.G. BEATING a cripple? Maybe the Sheriffs told her ahead of time to say all this. Maybe? We do know they themselves hated all of us & wanted us GONE! (see my other articles for proof. I believe she was pre-programmed to say such things –all LIES- in order to put us away… which they did. But, thank God, their LIES were eventually revealed.

To be honest, doing these articles is very painful for me. Not only mentally painful but spiritually painful. We know Miracle was never treated badly. Yes, she got corrected, but sexually abused, physically abused – NO! We treated her better than the other children – she was a cripple & you just don’t abuse children especially crippled children! You love and care for them! I know this makes good stories for the media/medical/law enforcement, but LIES only add to the problem.

Sarah Left

On page 13, Miracle answers D.C.’s question about “grooming”:

D.C., “Did that start after Sarah, or during while Sarah was there?”

M.G., “No. Well, Sarah left when I was like 4…” Sarah left in August of 1999: Miracle was born in November of 1997, so she wasn’t even 2 yet! What else does M.G. get wrong?

D.C., “Okay. And so would you say that these physical BEATINGS (my emp.) happened more than five times? or was this very common?”

M.G., “It was usually a DAILY (my emp.) occurrence.”

M.G., “And sometimes, depending on the day, what would happen in the day, it could be more than once during the day.”

Check This One Out!

On page 14, Miracle describes our large building where we had the kitchen, storage, workshop, living quarters etc.:

M.G., “… So it was a mile or a half a mile walk from the house to the big building.” Actually it was only 300 feet (from where she lived with us) to the H.Q. bldg. And, may I remind you, she was pushed in a wheelchair 90% of the time.

Walk?

On page 15, Miracle answers D.C.’s question about her disability:

M.G., “I had to walk everywhere…” But what about the w-chair? Oh, that! She continues with, “if I was showing any sign of being weak… I would get BEAT (my emp.)…” Sounds pitiful! Yep! It was meant to be pitiful so as to make Deborah out to be a cold-hearted prison warden.

Little Barbs?

(Still on p.15)

D.C., “This strap that you were BEAT (my emp.) with… was it metal… little barbs that would hang onto you skin?”.

M.G., “… it would leave a mark.”

She goes on to tell Det. Chavez that Deborah used other instruments of punishment “… a stick, whatever she could grab…”

Scars?

D.C., “Okay. So the scars & everything on your legs, these are the surgery scars then?” [note: when at the ABQ. Med Center, they accused me of burning Miracle with cigarettes. Yep! I would do this to a cripple!]

D.C., “Okay, Do you have any other scars of marks on your body that came from ABUSE?” (my emp.)

M.G., “Not that I have anymore, no.”

You would think after daily BEATINGS by mean ole’ witch Deborah Green, there would at least be one!

Work?

On page 16, D.C. asks about her work. According to her she worked more than everyone in the camp. Wow! All one has to do is see the size of our camp. The garden alone takes lots of people to attend to it. In fact, a wheelchair is out of the question.

D.C., “…did Isaiah & Josiah, did they ever…”

M.G., “no!”

Isaiah and Josiah worked with the men in the garden, putting in lots of hours a day. She is Lying! According to her (pg.16) she was the ONLY kid that worked – the rest “… pretty much they played all day.” HA! Tell this to our grown children today. They want to write about what really happened in those days. Page 16 ends with “… it was me by myself.” A crippled child doing ALL the work in camp? Really?!!

Skillet/pans

Oh, it gets better. On page 17, M.G. answers another question about her punishments:

D.C., “Tell me of another instrument, weapon… that she hit you with… something that you feared…”

M.G., “… I feared everything. But I remember one time she grabbed one of those… what are they called? Not the skillet but the little pans with the long handle? She hit me with that one time… she would grab anything & kind of just do what she needed to do…”

Conversation Continues:

D.C., “So I just want to clarify. These BEATINGS (my emp.) that you endured with her, they were not structured discipline spankings. They were just…”

M.G., “No, they were just when she was angry about something…”

D.C., “… cruel…”

M.G., “… I feel like she constantly had… no matter what I did, that would trigger something in her that would just make her go…”

M.G., “… Some days I wouldn’t get one, but it’d be rare… it was never an affectionate, like, ‘I’m teaching you this cause I care,’ kind of thing…”

This is such a lie! Deborah always taught principles, even when disciplining (not BEATINGS!).

Color?

(still on p.17)

D.C., “Basically you’re cursed because you… you’re cursed because of your color… your legs.”

Please spare us the race bait stuff. We’ve worked in black, yellow, brown, red & white nations. If she (we) were racists, trust me, we would not have raised up an In’tl Army, made up of all colors & nationalities. Joshua, our son, married a woman – half black, half E. Indian. Many, many of our officers are Black /Red /White /Yellow /Brown.

Part 2

Gathering of Female LIARS

When Deborah’s trial came up in open court (Sept. 19, 2018; I have the partial transcript of proceedings in front of me, pp.1-66), page 2 sees Miracle Green (M.G.)being sworn in… she points out Deborah Green (D.G.), defendant. A photo was shown of me (Jim Green) by the court (page 5). M.G. was asked many questions about D.G., Sarah Green, myself and others at Fence Lake.

On page 6, she was asked about Sarah leaving (1999). She was asked, “Where in the house did you live? (after Sarah ran off in the middle of the night with her lover). She was asked, “where in the house did you live?”

A. “I slept in the living room on the floor.”

This of course was a LIE! We had a pull-out couch she slept on.

(From now on I’ll use Q. & A.)

Q. “How old were you at this time…?

A. “Four or five.”

My question is this: M.G. was less than 2 years old when “mom” ran away, ABANDONED Miracle and her other 2 boys, where did she stay/sleep for the first 2 or 3 years after Sarah “Escaped!??”

Miracle goes on to tell lie-after-lie about how D.G. treated her. Hear this one: “I can remember her FORCING ME (my emphasis) to eat my own throw up…” She then claims D.G. made her sit on the floor, not at the table, (p.7).

Q. “You talked about a time where the defendant FORCED (emp. mine) you to eat your own vomit; is that correct?”

A. “Yes.” Miracle went at length to tell her sorrowful tale of woe of how she was treated concerning meal times. She claims (p.9) that D.G. made her eat spoiled food, leftovers.

Q. “Could you elaborate on that?”

A. “so there would be food that people had already gone through that was either getting ready to be thrown in the trash… leftover from the days prior in the fridge as well.” (p.10).

Det. S. Chavez / Prosecutor

The 32 page transcript between Det. Steve Chavez (Sheriff’s office) & the one I’m now quoting from are pretty much the same Q.s & A.s.

Miracle on page 10 says, “During summers I was in charge of maintaining the garden… pulling weeds, watering, planting seeds…” Like I stated beforehand, if you were to see the size of our gardens, you would laugh at this one – a wheelchair bound cripple working in a HUGE garden… all by herself. WOW! We had lots of fences up to keep out deer/elk etc. I don’t remember seeing Miracle in the garden once doing what she claimed. But in order to CONVICT Deborah, the LIES must be BIG!!!

Gathering of Liars!

Besides Miracle being in court, there was Liar Julie Gudino, Sarah Green, & Maura Schmierer (MS) (who did not testify against Deborah, for she was the LIAR who told BARE-FACED LIES for decades against us. She was (is) the first to strike a “Faustian Bargain” back in the late 1980s. She was there to lend support to the “female pack of liars”. She & her lying lawyer, Robert Blasier (criminal lawyer) had concocted this scheme to SUE us out of existence – 20 million dollar LAWSUIT. In one sense he was the “eminence grise” that provoked MS to take REVENGE on us for “imprisoning” Maura. After they got together, since that time, REVENGE is her “raesin d’etre.”

So…

These female lying vultures came to pick the flesh off of Deborah’s bones!

Back to Det. Chavez & Miracle Green

I’ve gotten up to page 18 (of 32 pp.). She goes into a long drawn out description of Lt. Col. Peter Green’s advancements (sexually) towards her. Peter was at first charged with 400 counts of sexual penetration. Really? To a cripple? Of course Det. Chavez couldn’t wait to get into all the sexual stuff. Note this: All the people at our camp, anyone who had any exchange with this “creepy” sheriff, ALL told us that Det. Chavez gave them the creeps because he had a DIRTY & sexually UNCLEAN vibe! Some of his relatives had told us privately that he had done some pretty creepy (sexual) stuff with young girls. That was their words, so I can’t verify what they have said, but I can say in our own personal experience with this detective, he was CREEPY!

I can verify something about him, though. Two articles in the Cibola Citizen admit that Chavez had at least “five sexual harassment grievances” filed against him, BY HIS OWN COWORKERS, during his time as Chief of Police in Grants, NM.1 Looks like other people think he’s more than creepy.

Det. Chavez asks Miracle all about what Peter did to her (pp.18-23). I’ll skip all the porn, it will make you sick. At the end of p.33

D.C. asked, “Did anybody else abuse you in a sexual way?…”

M.G., “Deborah would sometimes…” Again, I’ll spare my readers the pain of hearing what she says; you can read about some of it posted on our front page of AggressiveChristianity.net under Deborah Gets Free.

After Peter was charged with 400 counts of sexual penetration, they dropped it down to 200! Nice of the sheriff’s dept. But they never dropped one count from Deborah’s. Of course, neither Peter or Deborah should have had ANY counts against them! They were both completely innocent as was shown by the SANE exam performed on Miracle Green after she was taken away from us in July of 2006! (Of course, this evidence was never presented by the State during Deborah’s trial)

Chores, & More Chores

Poor little cripple girl! According to Miracle, Deborah made her work from sun up until sun down… garden, kitchen, houses, yards… little time for school work! Poor thing!

During this interview there were others there asking questions as well. Pages 24-30 there was “speaker 3” She was asked more about her chores in which she stated in one place (p.27), “… everyday cleaning in the house.” I lived in the same house. Each person did their own cleaning. Miracle did nothing – she couldn’t.

Speaker 3, “what was the summer like?”

M.G., “… I’d wake up & go to service & the I would go down to the garden or I would stay in & do work for lunch…” Miracle did do a little kitchen work -sitting down- doing small tasks. She never did a meal. We would not let her get around the stoves or ovens & washing dishes was out of the question for the sinks were too high for her to reach. I did lots of clean up / dishes etc. myself, as did many others.

That’s not all folks! Hear this:

M.G., “I’d be outside most of the day (but what about all those HOURS working indoors?), mowing the grass…”

This is beyond belief! A young girl in a wheelchair mowing grass? I was about the only one who did this – more pulling weeds than mowing grass – it was part of my chores.

M.G. cont., “planting or caring for whatever needed taking care of in the orchard.”

Did you know that our ACMTC H.Q. sat on a 320 acre plot? 320 acres! Besides this, we owned 7,000 acres just up the road, which was stolen from us by Maura S., with the help of special agent Pete Baca!!

[note: when this interview was done, Miracle’s legs had been corrected – she was not in a wheelchair or on crutches, so the officials interviewing her thought she was being honest.

Fin

On page 31, Det. Chavez asked, “Okay, Deborah. You talked about the times of sexual abuse where she used her hand to penetrate your private area. How many times did that happen?”

I guess you have noticed that D.C. had to return to the sexual. He puts thoughts in her mind about how many times Deborah did this. To me, D.C. was already building a BIG SEX CASE against my wife. (note: like I said, some of his relatives told us that he was sexually unclean!). In fact, one Dept. Sheriff who visited our camp many times, after all this came down, he said he would testify on our behalf if we would give him permission. By then all 3 of us were in jail/prison. I heard he had retired, as well as Det. S.C., Mike Munk et al. The 2 State prosecutors were fired for lying. The last we heard, Chavez was nowhere to be found.

Interview Ends

D.C., “How old were you around 2001 or 2002, then? You were about four or six?”

M.G., “No, I’d say three. Right?”

D.C., “Three of four? Cause your ‘97 ‘98, ‘99.

This gives our readers a peek into the dark world of “Kill the Cult!” I have other interviews just as revealing. Of course if all you’ve heard is what the law enforcement/crooked lying lawyers/judges who are bias/media who love “SPOOK” stories, you’ll believe what they say. Well, we are now presenting what actually happened. If all what those female LIARS said was true, WHY did Deborah only serve 4 1/2 years out of a 72-year sentence? More to come…

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